Monday, June 16, 2008

Just to be evasive

... but I have been reading some utterly superb books recently, and I'm looking forward to saying more here in the next few weeks. Plus, while I don't have time to go into detail right now, I was watching a Sam Harris video today, and reading a bit of Dawkins too, and it struck me that their arguments are sometimes so astonishingly shoddy, they must surely embarrass many thoughtful atheists. At least I hope so. Of course, as one can read on Dawkins' webpage discussion forum, there are plenty of especially young people out there who have swallowed the rhetoric of Dawkins and co just like other young people turn to naive fundamentalist religion. Interestingly the support of their leaders these particular atheists often offer is typical of that offered in the corresponding religious groups, i.e. they all seem locked into a James Fowler's stage 3 in his Stages of Faith!

4 comments:

Cliff Martin said...

I recently finished and reviewed The God Delusion at OutsideTheBox, and over the weekend I reviewed The McGraths answer, The Dawkins Delusion?. McGrath cites some atheists who are indeed embarrassed by Dawkins. Dawkins would be far more effective if he could restrain his unmitigated antipathy for religious belief, and his contempt for believers. The tone of hostility weakens his arguments, in my opinion.

Jim Getz said...

The other week I heard an interview with Chris Hedge, author of I Don't Believe in Atheists. He seems to have the same complaint with the arguments of Dawkins, Harris and their ilk.

dan said...

Richard, of subrationedei.com, recently pointed out a facebook group called "I don't believe in God but I do believe Richard Dawkins is an arsehole" and they've got a pretty funny diagram to aid our understanding of their position (cf. http://subrationedei.com/?p=712).

Chris Tilling said...

Hi Cliff, yes I saw your posts, thanks for that. I feel I was very much on your wave length there.

Jim, is that online anywhere?

Dan, thanks for the link. I contacted Volker with your details. He will contect you soon.